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MIL OSI Translation. Region: Germany / Deutschland –

Source: CDU CSU

Madam President! Dear Colleagues! Wednesday evening, last item on the agenda, and we’re talking about digitization – actually priceless. It is even more priceless that we have several proposals in the context of digitization that we are debating. In that sense, I think it’s a win that we’re talking about this tonight. But, dear colleagues, not every contribution you made here was necessarily an asset.

(Applause from members of the CDU / CSU)

My colleague Axel Knoerig made some comments on what has already happened. All parliamentary groups must self-critically state that they could have been even better; it’s always the case that you can be better there But I always defend myself a bit against pretending that nothing has happened at all.

I also oppose it if, for example, you, the AfD, say one thing today and something else tomorrow. In particular, I find it totally funny and interesting that you are now playing the hip digital politicians here and pretending that you have always been in favor of digitization. I want to make this clear with an example: a few weeks ago we had a debate about the Corona warning app. You made applications – save fundamental rights, no Big Brother, abolish the corona warning app – and today you stand here and say: We have to network much more closely. We have to do much, much more in this area. – Basically, you are telling exactly the opposite of what you are telling outside, and that is dishonest.

(Applause from the CDU / CSU – Joana Cotar [AfD]: The Corona warning app does not work! This is an expensive flop that you made!)

I have to say one thing to my colleague Höferlin, that is, to the FDP: Everything is fine and good. We are approaching the Advent season and will soon have Christmas, a little different due to the corona virus. So it is legitimate for you to set up wish lists. But, of course, it is again not very original in this area if you submit the same wish list every year, especially because many wishes from this list have already been fulfilled.

(Dr. Florian Toncar [FDP]: Should we write a different one every year, or what? Nobody can understand that!)

Dear colleagues of the FDP, I’ll do that specifically in the area of ​​health. In your application you demand that we should network better, dismantle sector boundaries and bring the actors together better. That’s all right; but that’s exactly what we do. Electronic patient files, telematics infrastructure – we will finally start with them next year, after debating the topic since 2003.

(Joana Cotar [AfD]: Yes, madness! – Manuel Höferlin [FDP]: It went jerk, jerk!)

And who did it? The CDU / CSU with the SPD and our Minister Jens Spahn. In that respect it worked. You can cross one wish off the list.

Dear colleagues, I would also like to say here that the debate bothers me a little, that we always talk to one another in a very abstract way about digitization. I think it is important to lead the debate more intensely – also socially, especially now in Corona times – with regard to digital possibilities, for example in terms of apps such as the Corona warning app and data usage. Data saves lives. I believe, ladies and gentlemen, that we should take that into account much, much more often in the debate.

The topic of data usage is one that we have talked about over and over again in many constellations over the past few months and years. Many here in Germany and also many colleagues here in the House tend – I look particularly in the left corner – to always approve of these issues in the abstract. But when it comes down to how we can use data and how we pragmatically reconcile data protection and health protection, the elephant of data protection is always very quickly put into the room, so that we no longer talk about content options at all, but with all further discussions are stifled with this argument. I think that’s one point where we need to be more honest with each other.

(Applause from members of the CDU / CSU)

Vice President Claudia Roth:

Colleague, would you allow Ms. Christmann to question or comment?

Tino Sorge (CDU / CSU):

Yes very much.

Dr. Anna Christmann (ALLIANCE 90 / THE GREENS):

Thank you for allowing me to answer the question, – You have now shown that everything is very difficult with the changes, that everything is actually going very well with the Corona warning app and that everyone is now only complaining that there are some functions that, in your opinion, are not available due to the Data protection would not be possible anyway.

Now I would like to ask you: Have you taken note of the fact that there are a lot of suggestions for changing and improving the Corona warning app on the table that have nothing to do with data protection issues, but for example the addition of a contact diary and the provide for voluntary consent to pass on a test result after testing? There are many such suggestions for improvement on the table. What about them? When will they be implemented? Why haven’t they been implemented long ago?

The second question on the topic relates to the fact that we now have to use digitization quickly in the corona crisis. For example, the health authorities are still working with many different programs and sometimes still with the fax machine. They are still a long way from having software that would make it easy for the health authorities to work. Do you think enough is happening, or maybe we need something like a technology task force to accelerate this?

Many thanks.

Vice President Claudia Roth:

Mr. concern, please.

Tino Sorge (CDU / CSU):

Dear colleague Christmann, thank you very much and also congratulations that you too have finally understood. That is exactly what we legislated for. I am thinking of the pact for the public health service, where we also take money into our hands in order to tackle the very problems you describe, that is, that certain things have to be traced manually – that is all right.

You and your parliamentary group have repeatedly torpedoed exactly the point that I have just addressed, for example when it came to integrating useful solutions into the Corona warning app, i.e. features that the user of this app can use meaningfully. It’s about voluntary data transfer, it’s about voluntary options. The problem is, however, that we couldn’t even discuss this app from the start. What were you excited about in the debate about the Corona warning app: Abolition of civil rights, people would be spied on. – Exactly the opposite was the case.

(Tabea Rößner [BÜNDNIS 90 / DIE GRÜNEN]: We’re not even saying that! What nonsense! – Joana Cotar [AfD]: Because you upset us!)

We have now made a tracing app that does not store any personal data. You torpedoed that. But we asked ourselves: How do we socially manage to expand this app in such a way that users even have the option of voluntarily providing data? That’s why I’ll tell you very clearly: This app is getting updates. The point will be that health authorities are connected.

(Dr. Franziska Brantner [BÜNDNIS 90 / DIE GRÜNEN]: When?)

– Very soon.

(Laughter from MPs from ALLIANCE 90 / THE GREENS)

– You don’t need to laugh now. If you torpedo this for weeks, months and then stand there with crocodile tears because it doesn’t work, then that’s just plain dishonest.

(Applause from the CDU / CSU – Dr. Franziska Brantner [BÜNDNIS 90 / DIE GRÜNEN]: We’re not torpedoing anything! What’s that supposed to mean?)

Vice President Claudia Roth:

Well. – Mr Sorge, continue with the speech.

Tino Sorge (CDU / CSU):

Thank you very much, Madam President. – I also tell you quite frankly: We shouldn’t stop there. With such data usage options, we have to let the user decide. We have to give him the option of making such data available, especially when it comes to voluntary opportunities. And it’s not just about the Corona warning app. In the health sector, we are now talking about AI, artificial intelligence applications, assistance systems that only work with data. In this respect, the debate is much, much more about not showing abstract risks, but rather making it very clear: Where are the individual added values ​​for the individual patient, for each individual user? What are the advantages?

Again: data saves lives. I think in a crisis like Corona it is particularly important that we use data to be able to save lives. We want to enable this option with the things that we have set in motion. With this in mind, I look forward to the deliberations in the committee, I am also pleased that you are capable of learning and I look forward to good results.

Many thanks.

(Applause from the CDU / CSU)

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