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Source: CDU CSU

Mister President! Dear Colleagues! At the end of this very emotional debate, I would first like to thank my colleagues in the Legal and Family Working Groups from our parliamentary group and also from the SPD parliamentary group, who have been intensively involved in the past few months and actually also in recent years have dealt with the topic.

(Applause from the CDU / CSU)

We had an incredible number of conversations: with the police, with the public prosecutor, with victim protection groups, with aid organizations, with psychotherapists – with everyone who works in this area. Dear colleagues, it has been noticed from many of the speakers who have spoken here today that you have not done that.

(Applause from the CDU / CSU)

I would have liked to have had one or the other conversation. Then many of these statements would not have been made today.

(Applause from the CDU / CSU – Canan Bayram [BÜNDNIS 90 / DIE GRÜNEN]: That’s really silly! – Britta Haßelmann [BÜNDNIS 90 / DIE GRÜNEN]: Who do you mean? Mr. Luczak? Or Mr. Hoffmann? BÜNDNIS 90 / DIE GRÜNEN]: You should be ashamed of yourself!)

Dr. Hahn, to speak of symbolic politics in this law, which brings us forward in many areas, for which we have long fought for, that is really infamous. And it’s true: Ms. Baerbock politicized it and put it on the political track. We were right to be angry about that; Because we have been fighting for years to ensure that progress is made on this topic, and not only on the subject of punishment, but also on the subject of help, the subject of prevention and the right way to deal with the children concerned. That is what we campaigned for and we will continue to do so. Much of what has been achieved in recent years is due to our commitment.

(Applause from the CDU / CSU)

President Dr. German politican:

Mrs Schön, would you allow me to ask a question?

Nadine Schön (CDU / CSU):

Yes gladly.

President Dr. German politican:

Here you go, colleague.

Ekin Deligöz (ALLIANCE 90 / THE GREENS):

Mrs Schön, if you mean my group by what you are saying here, I really reject it. I would like to point out to you – and you know this very well – that I dealt very intensively with this issue for our group, had a great many discussions, and also had a great many discussions with victims on the spot. And it affects me personally if you bring this allegation to my group. I absolutely reject that. That’s not correct. Quite the opposite: if there is a group in this Parliament that deals intensively with the issue and consequently also calls for children’s rights, then it is my group.

(Dr. Alexander Gauland [AfD]: Wonderful!)

So I reject that. That is not true, and I would ask you to take this into account in your further speech.

(Shouting from the CDU / CSU: Take a look at the past! – Countercall from the delegate Ekin Deligöz [BÜNDNIS 90 / DIE GRÜNEN])

President Dr. German politican:

Madam, it is part of our habit to stand by the answer. – Thank you.

Nadine Schön (CDU / CSU):

Dear colleague, I know that. I know that you are very committed to this issue, just as many colleagues from the Greens do in a wide variety of areas. I don’t want to deny you that, and so I didn’t want my statement to be understood.

But it is also part of the truth that the investigators we talked to told us: It’s good that we finally get into these forums, these chat forums, where the material is exchanged and people talk about how to do things can best approach a child. – With our change in law last year, investigators finally have access to it. Today we allow them to enter these forums themselves with computer-generated material so that they can investigate there. That is a huge step forward, say the investigators.

The only problem is what happens then: the investigators see that they are dating about child abuse. They see perpetrators announcing that they will soon abuse a child. And they say: We can’t get the data. We don’t know where it is and who it is because the connection data is not there. – That’s why we need data retention.

(Applause from the CDU / CSU and from Ursula Schulte [SPD])

Incidentally, this was not overturned by the ECJ, but by the OVG Münster. Therefore we have to be honest at this point: Data retention is a very important instrument

(Applause from the CDU / CSU)

That is what investigators need to do on time – on time! – get to the perpetrators.

President Dr. German politican:

Mrs Schön, would you allow Mrs Künast to ask a question?

Nadine Schön (CDU / CSU):

Yes gladly.

Renate Künast (ALLIANCE 90 / THE GREENS):

Someone said: We can admit mistakes. – As a group that says it has always looked after it, I would keep my feet still.

(Objection to the CDU / CSU)

I now come to the point, colleague. You have just said what has already come into effect. If I see it correctly, the things you are talking about have not yet come into effect; because they are in the law passed here to combat right-wing extremism and hate crime.

We as Greens always said at second reading and before: Let’s do a two-stage data transmission process. You rejected that with the dismal result that this law, which also requires data to be transferred to the BKA in the event of sexual violence against children and which also includes the investigative instrument you mentioned, has not yet come into force.

Can you perhaps tell me at this point – instead of praising yourself for something that is unconstitutional and has therefore not been signed by the Federal President – when the Federal Ministry of the Interior is finally ready to make a legal proposal for this two-stage system of data transmission, so that we can finally improve this in the Bundestag and that the reporting obligations and the investigation tools that you mention here are finally effective?

(Applause from BÜNDNIS 90 / DIE GRÜNEN)

We have been waiting for it for well over a year.

(Shouts from the AfD)

You could set the pace here. We would certainly be willing to waive the deadline if you propose a constitutional solution.

(Maik Beermann [CDU / CSU]: It’s about tracing!)

– It’s about everything when it comes to children.

(Shouts from the CDU / CSU)

Nadine Schön (CDU / CSU):

So, the rules of investigation that I was talking about are in place. You can generate computer-generated material, and that is how investigators can now access the forums that were closed to them a few years ago. For one thing.

(Carsten Müller [Braunschweig] [CDU / CSU]: They still haven’t noticed!)

On the other hand. Yes, the law contains important points that we want to implement, such as provider liability in this law. Now we have to make a fresh start

(Britta Haßelmann [BÜNDNIS 90 / DIE GRÜNEN]: Where is he?)

and see how we deal with the law and bring the important points that we agreed there into a new legislative process.

(Britta Haßelmann [BÜNDNIS 90 / DIE GRÜNEN]: When can we expect it?)

We have no disagreement with the content. There are many important points that we want to implement and are still anchored in these laws. This shows that the fight against child sexual abuse is not over with this law.

(Applause from the CDU / CSU)

There are so many facets.

We have achieved a great deal that is important in this law. The higher sentence expresses the increased level of injustice. Sexual violence against children is a crime and must be punished as such.

The regulations on the certificate of good conduct are very important; because it cannot be that someone abuses a child at the age of 22 and is allowed to go to a youth camp at the age of 37 or apply to be an educator in kindergarten.

(Applause from the CDU / CSU)

We forbid child dolls; A lot has been said about this. The possession of a child expo has its own injustice; Jan-Marco Luczak put that really well in a nutshell. In addition, dealing with them has a disinhibiting character. It is the entry point into real abuse. We have to recognize that, we have to do something about it.

(Applause from the CDU / CSU)

And in the whole area of ​​the process – with the procedural counselors, the family judges – we need real experts who know how to speak to the children during an interrogation, who have psychological knowledge and knowledge of the proceedings, of everything that goes on in this highly complex area behind it. That is why this is a very important step in this law and not just symbolic politics.

Ms. Baerbock and Ms. Harder-Kühnel, when talking to experts,

(Annalena Baerbock [BÜNDNIS 90 / DIE GRÜNEN]: Yes, we do!)

With those who work with those affected, you can hear that they say: One should not – as you did, Ms. Baerbock – speak of a “destroyed life” or of a “murder of children’s souls”.

(Annalena Baerbock [BÜNDNIS 90 / DIE GRÜNEN]: I didn’t say that! Your Interior Minister said that!)

– Yes, you said: “destroyed life”; I wrote it down. We are welcome to look in the log.

(Contradiction by Abg. Annalena Baerbock [BÜNDNIS 90 / DIE GRÜNEN])

Even after these heinous acts there is still a chance of a successful life.

(Applause from the CDU / CSU and members of the SPD)

And our job is to make this successful life possible and to help them. That’s why we don’t just work with criminal liability.

You raised important points. We have anchored the topic of trauma clinics in social compensation law. If the federal states launch trauma clinics across the board in the next year, then I also expect that special attention will be given to the needs of children there, that child psychologists will be deployed there. I expect that too, we are of one mind. That is why this is also an important point that we have written into the law, which we already implemented last year.

We have initiated a lot, for example the child protection hotline. Today pediatricians can contact the hotline and get advice if they have such a case but are not entirely sure. You will get very qualified information there. We as a Union launched this child protection hotline for doctors. So much for the subject, we just want to increase the penalties.

We started this hotline. It has meanwhile been recognized by the OECD as a global lighthouse project. We are not only planning to extend the duration of Professor Fegert’s hotline, but also to expand the project so that employees in the youth welfare offices can also call there and receive qualified, good advice on how to evaluate and deal with such a case.

I could mention many other points. Unfortunately, my speaking time is now up. But I recommend you take a look at our two position papers: one from last year, the other from this year. The topics of prevention and assistance come up as well as the topic of criminal liability. I can tell you: we have already implemented a number of points that we asked for last year, in all areas. That is why numerous allegations today are really infamous. I reject that. We are the group that has devoted itself to this issue holistically – with success and with concrete results.

(Applause from the CDU / CSU)


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